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	<title>Comments on: Why CAN&#8217;T Gordon Brown say &#8216;England&#8217;?</title>
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	<description>Resisting the efforts to impose a unitary British value system and identity</description>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://britologywatch.wordpress.com/2007/10/30/why-cant-gordon-brown-say-england/#comment-1845</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 16:43:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ask Scots like Andy Murray whether they prefer to be called Scottish or British, and they&#039;ll tell you &#039;Scottish&#039;; so the media should call him such whether he&#039;s winning or losing. I&#039;m sure Gordon Brown has no issues about being referred to as Scottish or about uttering the word &#039;Scotland&#039;; but in 99% of cases, &#039;England&#039; gets translated by GB as &#039;Britain&#039;, and &#039;English&#039; as &#039;British&#039; (unless he&#039;s referring to the Bank of England or the English language). 

When he can&#039;t avoid mentioning the &#039;E&#039; word, he does it with a wince or an audible gulp of distaste. And yet the man&#039;s the prime minister of England in most of what his government does, as the majority of legislation and policy his government comes out with relates to no other part of the UK other than England. And yet he&#039;s not elected by any English constituent and isn&#039;t accountable to England. The only way he can pretend to represent England is by assimilating it lock, stock and barrel to a homogeneous &#039;Britain&#039; of which Scotland, Wales and N. Ireland are somehow both a part and apart: having the privilege to define a separate identity that is denied to England. 

The guy would rather England did not exist and was simply &#039;Britain&#039;. But he doesn&#039;t apply the same standards to his own country, to which he should jolly well return (putting it nicely); because we&#039;ve certainly never chosen him to be the PM of ours.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ask Scots like Andy Murray whether they prefer to be called Scottish or British, and they&#8217;ll tell you &#8216;Scottish&#8217;; so the media should call him such whether he&#8217;s winning or losing. I&#8217;m sure Gordon Brown has no issues about being referred to as Scottish or about uttering the word &#8216;Scotland&#8217;; but in 99% of cases, &#8216;England&#8217; gets translated by GB as &#8216;Britain&#8217;, and &#8216;English&#8217; as &#8216;British&#8217; (unless he&#8217;s referring to the Bank of England or the English language). </p>
<p>When he can&#8217;t avoid mentioning the &#8216;E&#8217; word, he does it with a wince or an audible gulp of distaste. And yet the man&#8217;s the prime minister of England in most of what his government does, as the majority of legislation and policy his government comes out with relates to no other part of the UK other than England. And yet he&#8217;s not elected by any English constituent and isn&#8217;t accountable to England. The only way he can pretend to represent England is by assimilating it lock, stock and barrel to a homogeneous &#8216;Britain&#8217; of which Scotland, Wales and N. Ireland are somehow both a part and apart: having the privilege to define a separate identity that is denied to England. </p>
<p>The guy would rather England did not exist and was simply &#8216;Britain&#8217;. But he doesn&#8217;t apply the same standards to his own country, to which he should jolly well return (putting it nicely); because we&#8217;ve certainly never chosen him to be the PM of ours.</p>
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		<title>By: Colin</title>
		<link>http://britologywatch.wordpress.com/2007/10/30/why-cant-gordon-brown-say-england/#comment-1844</link>
		<dc:creator>Colin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 09:41:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Take Andy Murray-

When he starts wimbledon he is Scottish... When he is winning a game he is British... When he is losing a game or does a negative move he is Scottish... When he does a good move he is British... When he progress through the ranks he is British... When he gets put out he is Scottish.

In my opinoun this is worse than Gordon Brown simply adressing all his constituents! They are all potential voters and they are all equal, they are all British! You wanting him to refer to England is your ignorance.

Who gives a crap?

(To give me abuse visit me at www.colinbloginit.blogspot.com)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Take Andy Murray-</p>
<p>When he starts wimbledon he is Scottish&#8230; When he is winning a game he is British&#8230; When he is losing a game or does a negative move he is Scottish&#8230; When he does a good move he is British&#8230; When he progress through the ranks he is British&#8230; When he gets put out he is Scottish.</p>
<p>In my opinoun this is worse than Gordon Brown simply adressing all his constituents! They are all potential voters and they are all equal, they are all British! You wanting him to refer to England is your ignorance.</p>
<p>Who gives a crap?</p>
<p>(To give me abuse visit me at <a href="http://www.colinbloginit.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.colinbloginit.blogspot.com</a>)</p>
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		<title>By: Olympics - Nationality and Identity &#171; The Secret Person</title>
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		<dc:creator>Olympics - Nationality and Identity &#171; The Secret Person</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 08:08:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] sight of the Union Jack simply left me cold. This is not the fault of sport, but of politics. Of politicians who won&#8217;t say England, of broadcasters who think team GB is made of Welsh, Scottish and British people, and of [...]</description>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://britologywatch.wordpress.com/2007/10/30/why-cant-gordon-brown-say-england/#comment-1030</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 04:15:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As they say, the editors (i.e. me) are not responsible (I am, but I&#039;ll only censor spam and really offensive comments) for all the views expressed on this site, M. Anderson! I think &#039;stealing&#039; is a bit strong: strong-arming or procuring by force majeure I&#039;ll accept - OK, &#039;stealing&#039; is more plain honest Anglo-Saxon, I agree! 

And as for the national / cultural identity of the Orcadians and Shetlanders, I&#039;m not sure what they themselves would say. Why aren&#039;t they asked in a referendum whether they&#039;d like to become the &#039;Dubai of the North&#039; (hey, I ought to copyright that, that&#039;s rather catchy!). But no, such a referendum might set a dangerous precedent - foolish of me to forget that: got to protect the integrity of Scotland (correction, the Union) at all costs, haven&#039;t we?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As they say, the editors (i.e. me) are not responsible (I am, but I&#8217;ll only censor spam and really offensive comments) for all the views expressed on this site, M. Anderson! I think &#8217;stealing&#8217; is a bit strong: strong-arming or procuring by force majeure I&#8217;ll accept &#8211; OK, &#8217;stealing&#8217; is more plain honest Anglo-Saxon, I agree! </p>
<p>And as for the national / cultural identity of the Orcadians and Shetlanders, I&#8217;m not sure what they themselves would say. Why aren&#8217;t they asked in a referendum whether they&#8217;d like to become the &#8216;Dubai of the North&#8217; (hey, I ought to copyright that, that&#8217;s rather catchy!). But no, such a referendum might set a dangerous precedent &#8211; foolish of me to forget that: got to protect the integrity of Scotland (correction, the Union) at all costs, haven&#8217;t we?</p>
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		<title>By: M Anderson</title>
		<link>http://britologywatch.wordpress.com/2007/10/30/why-cant-gordon-brown-say-england/#comment-1029</link>
		<dc:creator>M Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 03:34:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MclAREN SAID:

&quot;The Barnett Formula may arguably be a form of compensation for the theft of Scottish North Sea Oil, which if controlled by Scotland would bring in much more money than she is currently given by the UK government. This is one of many reasons that the Union is not fair on Scotland and only serves to hold her back from being the properous nation that she should be. Norway is currently the most prosperous country in the world and there is no reason Scotland can not follow in Norways footsteps.&quot;

Theft of north sea oil? So when will the Shetlanders and Orcadians get THEIR oil back seeing as it is theirs and not scotlands? 
It is funny that you mention Norway. Norway is the country you hypocritical scots stole the Orkneys off. 
What about the shetlands? Go to this link for a conversation about Shetland independence. It&#039;s hilarious because it&#039;s run by an English (Essex) man. What is really funny about it is the fact that his surname is Stuart! 
http://www.shetlandconversation.com/

Whilst i&#039;m on the subject maybe Mr Mclaren should read about the English settlement of Orkney and Shetland. I am sure he&#039;ll enjoy reading about that.   
http://www.birlinn.co.uk/book/details/Early-English-Settlement-of-Orkney-and-Shetland--The-9781904607755/
http://john-donald.birlinn.co.uk/articles/details/41/
 
Originally inhabited by neolithic tribes and then by the Picts, Orkney was invaded and finally annexed by Norway in 875 and settled by the Norse. It was subsequently re-annexed to the Scottish Crown in 1472, following the failed payment of a dowry agreement. The people on Orkney are not scottish.  


Just as an aside here is a link to a list of areas with the highest amounts of &quot;uk&quot; so-called welfare ghettos. All but one are in England. This has happened because of scottish extortion via the criminally inclined ex-chancellor, i.e. Gordon Brown the scotsman.    

http://www.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/560367/revealed-britains-welfare-ghettos.thtml

I am not surprised scots claim that scotland is richer than England. You stole, and continue to steal, our money! Really though, you scots need to stop being hypocrites. Give the Shetlands and Orkneys their self determination. It is only right. Really, if you scots are going to waffle on about Berwick then you need to do the right thing by Shetland and Orkney. I wonder what the Norse in the shetlands and Orkneys would do with all that oil and gas? Get rich I guess.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MclAREN SAID:</p>
<p>&#8220;The Barnett Formula may arguably be a form of compensation for the theft of Scottish North Sea Oil, which if controlled by Scotland would bring in much more money than she is currently given by the UK government. This is one of many reasons that the Union is not fair on Scotland and only serves to hold her back from being the properous nation that she should be. Norway is currently the most prosperous country in the world and there is no reason Scotland can not follow in Norways footsteps.&#8221;</p>
<p>Theft of north sea oil? So when will the Shetlanders and Orcadians get THEIR oil back seeing as it is theirs and not scotlands?<br />
It is funny that you mention Norway. Norway is the country you hypocritical scots stole the Orkneys off.<br />
What about the shetlands? Go to this link for a conversation about Shetland independence. It&#8217;s hilarious because it&#8217;s run by an English (Essex) man. What is really funny about it is the fact that his surname is Stuart!<br />
<a href="http://www.shetlandconversation.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.shetlandconversation.com/</a></p>
<p>Whilst i&#8217;m on the subject maybe Mr Mclaren should read about the English settlement of Orkney and Shetland. I am sure he&#8217;ll enjoy reading about that.<br />
<a href="http://www.birlinn.co.uk/book/details/Early-English-Settlement-of-Orkney-and-Shetland--The-9781904607755/" rel="nofollow">http://www.birlinn.co.uk/book/details/Early-English-Settlement-of-Orkney-and-Shetland&#8211;The-9781904607755/</a><br />
<a href="http://john-donald.birlinn.co.uk/articles/details/41/" rel="nofollow">http://john-donald.birlinn.co.uk/articles/details/41/</a></p>
<p>Originally inhabited by neolithic tribes and then by the Picts, Orkney was invaded and finally annexed by Norway in 875 and settled by the Norse. It was subsequently re-annexed to the Scottish Crown in 1472, following the failed payment of a dowry agreement. The people on Orkney are not scottish.  </p>
<p>Just as an aside here is a link to a list of areas with the highest amounts of &#8220;uk&#8221; so-called welfare ghettos. All but one are in England. This has happened because of scottish extortion via the criminally inclined ex-chancellor, i.e. Gordon Brown the scotsman.    </p>
<p><a href="http://www.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/560367/revealed-britains-welfare-ghettos.thtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/560367/revealed-britains-welfare-ghettos.thtml</a></p>
<p>I am not surprised scots claim that scotland is richer than England. You stole, and continue to steal, our money! Really though, you scots need to stop being hypocrites. Give the Shetlands and Orkneys their self determination. It is only right. Really, if you scots are going to waffle on about Berwick then you need to do the right thing by Shetland and Orkney. I wonder what the Norse in the shetlands and Orkneys would do with all that oil and gas? Get rich I guess.</p>
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		<title>By: Brown on Politics Show on Devolution &#171; The Secret Person</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brown on Politics Show on Devolution &#171; The Secret Person</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2008 10:18:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] More power to Scotland is a good thing I think, but if not accompanied by English devolution only increases the unfairness of the West Lothian question. On the plus side I don&#8217;t believe it will stop support for independence. Just like devolution didn&#8217;t stop calls for independence and the Nats now form the biggest party. Give them more power and, if they use it well, they&#8217;ll ask for and get more. Good luck to the SNP. It seems the English question will only be solved by default. Anyway I&#8217;ll be watching the interview to see whether Gordon can say England. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] More power to Scotland is a good thing I think, but if not accompanied by English devolution only increases the unfairness of the West Lothian question. On the plus side I don&#8217;t believe it will stop support for independence. Just like devolution didn&#8217;t stop calls for independence and the Nats now form the biggest party. Give them more power and, if they use it well, they&#8217;ll ask for and get more. Good luck to the SNP. It seems the English question will only be solved by default. Anyway I&#8217;ll be watching the interview to see whether Gordon can say England. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: M Anderson</title>
		<link>http://britologywatch.wordpress.com/2007/10/30/why-cant-gordon-brown-say-england/#comment-528</link>
		<dc:creator>M Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 22:35:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brown refusing to say England is like one of them stick your fingers up at the foreigners type things. I bet he has a vindictive little grin inside everytime he says it or in this case refuses to say it. I have seen this pathetic chippy attitude down the boozer on many occasions. I am sure you have to You know, whenever there&#039;s a jock within 5o feet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brown refusing to say England is like one of them stick your fingers up at the foreigners type things. I bet he has a vindictive little grin inside everytime he says it or in this case refuses to say it. I have seen this pathetic chippy attitude down the boozer on many occasions. I am sure you have to You know, whenever there&#8217;s a jock within 5o feet.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://britologywatch.wordpress.com/2007/10/30/why-cant-gordon-brown-say-england/#comment-453</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 18:31:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your reply, Michael. You learn something every day!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your reply, Michael. You learn something every day!</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Follon</title>
		<link>http://britologywatch.wordpress.com/2007/10/30/why-cant-gordon-brown-say-england/#comment-452</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Follon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 17:03:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David,

In response to your question concerning the previous comment made by me the answer is YES - absolutely. Whether or not an independent Scotland was to become a republic after independence would be the subject of a referendum in line with Scottish constitutional law which is that sovereignty rests with the people (Popular Sovereignty). The SNP deliberately does not have a policy on this issue as the aim is to achieve independence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David,</p>
<p>In response to your question concerning the previous comment made by me the answer is YES &#8211; absolutely. Whether or not an independent Scotland was to become a republic after independence would be the subject of a referendum in line with Scottish constitutional law which is that sovereignty rests with the people (Popular Sovereignty). The SNP deliberately does not have a policy on this issue as the aim is to achieve independence.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://britologywatch.wordpress.com/2007/10/30/why-cant-gordon-brown-say-england/#comment-446</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 06:06:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re above comment by Michael Follon, are you implying that, post-independence, Scotland would remain a monarchy, i.e. would still have the UK king or queen as its head of state? This would presumably be a return to the personal union of England&#039;s and Scotland&#039;s monarchs that existed for 100 years or so before the political union of Great Britain. I&#039;ve not heard it being presented like this; I sort of assumed SNP policy was for a Scottish Republic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re above comment by Michael Follon, are you implying that, post-independence, Scotland would remain a monarchy, i.e. would still have the UK king or queen as its head of state? This would presumably be a return to the personal union of England&#8217;s and Scotland&#8217;s monarchs that existed for 100 years or so before the political union of Great Britain. I&#8217;ve not heard it being presented like this; I sort of assumed SNP policy was for a Scottish Republic.</p>
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